Categorising music albums
Monday, February 27, 2006
I've had heaps of albums on my PC for a few years now, but since I got the iRiver, access to albums had to be made faster. Without an iPooed wheel that quickly scans down lists, I devised a makeshift folder system to divide up the files, figuring that I could classify my albums into about six categories. While it's worked well, the sheer volume and variety of albums has crowded up the lists and now it's not so organised after all. Including podcasts, standalone tracks and a few other files, my iRiver is currently hosting 644 folders with 5851 songs.
On the original pH-style "PH" scale (named after yours truly), the genres are:
- 1 Light
- 2 Pop Rock
- 3 Rock & Roll
- 4 Rock
- 5 Heavy Rock
- 6 Metal
Light is softer rock, with more ambient/creative stuff such as Evermore, Travis or Pete Murray. Critics could say the "You know how I know you're gay? You listen to Coldplay/insert band from Light" a la The 40 Year Old Virgin principle could also be in place here.
Pop Rock is Indie like The Killers or Franz Ferdinand and Australian quirky but rockin bands like Eskimo Joe or Little Birdy.
Rock & Roll is traditional guitar-solo-ripping 60s/70s influenced stuff like Oasis, Wolfmother or Jet or even 50s/blues influenced stuff like The Hives or The White Stripes.
Rock is the umbrella term for rocking guitar/bass/drums stuff like Foo Fighters, Red Hot Chili Peppers or Smashing Pumpkins.
Heavy Rock has more metal/nu-metal edges, stuff they play at Switch like Papa Roach, Linkin Park or Evanescence.
Metal is another umbrella term, spanning System of a Down, Nightwish, Sevendust, Metallica, Dream Theater and beyond.
It's awesome because if you recognise, say, three bands in one folder that you like, the others are probably going to hit a few right notes for you too. Depending on the broadness of your taste, you'll probably enjoy albums either side of your favourite genre too. When I don't know what to listen to, I can also work out what mood I'm in from 1 to 6 to narrow down what I'm going to put on.
I had to add "Comedy", "Punk", "Soundtracks" and "Other". "Soundtracks" in theory could be split up, but I'd need a Pop or Novelty folder for that (which I'll probably do). The "Other" folder started because I can't classify Radiohead (suggestions welcome!), then continued because I felt Jamiroquai and Massive Attack were too electrish and has now become the "To Be Sorted" folder as well. Pop Rock also became so big I chucked it into A-K and L-Z phonebook-style. The realistic divide there is Indie and Aussie Pop Rock bands (for some reason Indie's all overseas bands, must be a cultural thing). Metal needs a fair bit o' work too, like a nu-metal folder for one, but thankfully there's no shortage of friends willing to discuss the finer genres of metal!
Ideally, all genre folders should have no more than 16 artists inside, because the iRiver display shows 8 at a time (and I can scan from top or bottom). That's a bit of extra categorising, but not impossible. Secondly, it's gotta continue making it logical for people to know which of my music they should thieve.
Another problem is how to insert dance/techno/electro/whatever music in there. I'll probably expand the left (Light) edge to pop then dance, then techno...but anything without traditional band instruments is really tough for me to classify, even in a consistent way to myself! At least I can deal with more punk/heavy rock distinction.
Clearly it's still very early stages, but having typed it out it seems a bit closer to reality. I've still got a few dozen albums I'd like to go through and see if there are categories I'm not thinking of first, but by the end it should be an easy way to recommend albums to people by gauging their preferred genres to start with and expanding outwards. From there, I wouldn't mind creating/using a database for the Internet at large to check albums in the collection (not just ones I've bought) along with the genre, date it was added and the source (i.e. recommender) and stuff like that. Can any readers out there recommend something like that?
Has anyone out there seen or devised their own genre classifying organisation system? Particularly ones using similar sliding scales or multi-dimensional plots (like the Political Compass)? Does anyone have a program to help list out my current albums based on directory structure too?
15 comments to this post
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Imagine if you invested all of that effort into your career or uni work?
Or fuck, even getting DECENT at videogames? How are you going at Ninja Gaiden, hmm?
Just get an XBOX 360 and order broadband w/o your parent's consent. They'll appreciate it later (plus its cheap as all fuck nowadays)!
You talkin' smack? Bring on Madden or car racing games, Grandmaster! :)
I have exactly the same problem when it comes to categorising music. I always tell myself that I'll go through every album in my iPod to determine the correct genre to file it under, but the truth is I can't be bothered. I rarely listen to music by "genre" anyway, I tend to either choose an album that I want to listen to, or throw the whole thing on random and see what comes up (that's always exciting).
I agree with your sentiments about Radiohead, what they hell do you classify them as? But I think the fact that they are so unclassifiable is what makes them such a great band.
FYI, these are the current genres in my iPod:
- Alternative & Punk. This is what iTunes tends to classify anything alternative as. Personally I think Alternative is a broad enough term without adding Punk into the mix. Most of my albums are filed under this genre because I can't be bothered creating sub-genres like "quirky indie twee harpsichord-based ditties".
- Blues. I'm not talking blues ripoffs like White Stripes, but old-skool stuff like Robert Johnson and to a lesser degree Stevie Ray Vaughan. The Drones also made this genre as I felt it was the most appropriate place to put them.
- Books & Spoken. Read: Stuff that you don't want to come up in the shuffle :)
- Classical. There's only one album in there at the moment, and it's an Elvis Costello one (from his classical period). I need more culture :)
- Country. Quite a bit in here, from Johnny Cash, some Bob Dylan, early Wilco...a highly underrated genre. Not as daggy as many would lead you to believe.
- Easy listening. I felt this was the most appropriate place to put completely inoffensive shopping centre stuff like Jack Johnson :)
- Electronica & Dance. Not being a huge dance music fan, this is where I put anything which resembles electronica, including chillout and triphop. So there's Air, DJ Shadow, Massive Attack, Lemon Jelly, etc. I'm not into this music enough to be able to sub-divide it any further :)
- Folk. Generally older stuff like Joni Mitchell, Simon & Garfunkel, Byrds, Tim Buckley, Leonard Cohen. And some early folkier Elliott Smith as well. Basically anything that involves a bit of finger-pickin'.
- Hip Hop / Rap. Not one of my favourite genres, so I only have a few select albums by De La Soul, Public Enemy and Beastie Boys in here. Sometimes I like to drive in my car with this playing full blast and pretend I'm black. But I end up just looking like a white git :)
- Jazz. A few token jazz albums by Miles Davis, John Coltrane and their ilk.
- Metal. Dream Theater and Metallica only. Not a huge metalhead either.
- New Age. Only one album by a band called Rivertribe who I heard at Knox Ozone and liked them enough to buy their CD. But do they deserve a genre to themselves? That's just spoilt!
- Podcast. Go Ricky! Go Ricky!
- Pop. Not current top 40 shit, but old-skool 80's stuff like Michael Jackson and Prince.
- Power Pop. A sub-genre of pop, but I felt that Big Star and Teenage Fanclub deserved a separate category.
-Punk. Not what the media would like you believe punk is (erm...Lee Harding?). Nope, this is the real stuff like Sex Pistols and early Clash.
- R&B. Real Rhythm & Blues. Not the marketing term R&B which is used to sell Destiny's Child to teeny boppers. Real stuff like Arethra Franklin, James Brown, Otis Redding, Curtis Mayfield, Sly & The Family Stone.
- Reggae. Hey mon.
- Rock. Kind've like pop but harder hittin'.
- Soundtrack. Need I say more?
- World. Serge Gainsbourg and other dirty Frenchmen.
You've got an impressive variety of genres and timeframes there, Jiggy! Pretty spot on with the classifications too. You don't even have to make up genres like I do!
I basically only want to make up a genre when there's at least 5 bands that accurately fit into it or else I'll clog up the genre directory too.
I'm a little too obsessed about navigating through menus efficiently. I blame all those video games where it has a splash page and you have to press start THEN your savegames load up, so you end up waiting three minutes before you even start the game.
I haven't categorised any of my music into genres, mostly because the thought of sitting down for what would probably end up being over two hours of "monkey work" doesn't appeal to me. I get annoyed at having to scroll through ~150 artists in my iPod, but thankfully Apple's industrial designers are not complete tools and have come up with an acceptable solution for people like me who don't categorise their music.
But then again, I'm not really the kind of person who would choose a genre and listen to random tracks from it. I either feel a craving to listen to a certain artist/album, or put my entire collection on shuffle and just skip whatever I don't want to hear. Maybe if I had genre classifications I would actually use them, but I don't know if it's worth it.
Having said all that, though, I would still like to genre-ise my music eventually, as well as add cover art for all the complete albums I have... just because I'm anal like that.
Here is my feeble attempt at helping you come up with some genres, Pat. I've done this for my music, which would be far less Indie-heavy than yours, but it might give you some ideas:
Rock
Metal
Indie/Alternative
Punk/Hardcore/Emo
Progressive rock
Progressive metal
Mike Patton (a la the "Primus" genre classification in Winamp lol)
Pop/Miscellaneous
That's, off the top of my head, probably how I would split up my music.
I have a question though. If a band dramatically switched genres mid-career, would you categorise their albums individually by how each particular album sounded, or would you just put the whole artist's catalogue in the genre than most closely fits their career output as a whole? I would feel weird splitting a band up into multiple genres, but for a band like Fates Warning or Porcupine Tree it's almost required.
I believe Brad is an expert in the field of music organisation...
I have never actually looked at the genres in my iPod... one moment please..
What a mess! Hehe, so what's the difference between Rock and General Rock, or Misc, Miscellaneous and Other, or Easy Listening and General Easy Listening?
You have just persuaded me to actually organise my music too!
Ha! I started typing my comment about Brad and posted it before I saw he replied.. sorry!
Hi Brad!
hehe... sadly I'm not as hardcore with genres as I am with practically every other aspect of organising music.
In my CD collection database, the most annoying thing is the default genre values that crop up - It's come up with "general rock", "rock", "rock and roll", "rock n roll", "rock/metal", etc... it's fucking annoying. That's probably a major contributing factor in my decision NOT to use genre classifications, it's too annoying to actually get it to be completely uniform (which it would have to be, I'd hate it otherwise).
Brad, some of the artists in my collection who have been around for a long time are split across multiple genres in my iPod. Some examples are Bob Dylan who spans Folk, Rock and Country (although I could split this even further if I wanted to) and Elvis Costello who spans Pop, Rock, Classical and Easy Listening.
But my listening habits are generally like yours, I'll either listen to a specific album or put the whole thing on shuffle.
And regarding cover art, I have cover art for every single album in my iPod (with the exception of a few old compilations like hits of '89 where not even google could find the cover art ;-) It took a long time but it's worth it, it looks great having the cover art for everything.
I'm sorry, but 2 asinine comments out of 10 wasn't a good enough ratio. This makes me feel more comfortable.
hehe... you said asinine.
I've gotta say, Pat, your ph system (great name btw) is pretty good, and I always find it easy navigating your iriver. It sorta like progressive steps along, going from Pop-Rock to Metal. And i think your right in saying that if you like a band in a particular genre, you like the other ones as well.
Jiggys system is amazingly comprehensive, but I have to say that that many genres just isnt viable when my tastes just dont run so broad.
Oooh I want the cover art too!
I have a system that works well for me:
Prog Rock
Prog Metal
Everything Else
I would put Radiohead into Prog Rock
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